-This version is considered to be Omnipotent. [deleted] • 8 yr. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. TOAA's weakest Avatar was defeated and absorbed by a version of Thanos in his Astral Regulator form while the Beyonder was retconned for being too powerful. along with. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. Beyonder is beyond the universe. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. Cactus. ago. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. Reactions: Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. TOAA is the creator of the multiverse and everyone and everything in it, including the Beyonders. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. 5 T. 1. itsirk. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. #33 Edited By The_Scourge. Yes. This being, LT is the physical representation of the Will of God, nothing. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Manhattan's league. 2. In other words, every individual hero, villain, plant, animal and atom is just a part of TOAA, but TOAA is also more than the summation of all of these. At the very least, it will be a stalemate. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. Max Deen. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. TOAA is a god for gods. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, and Scan 4. . 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. Divine Creator 3. Pre Beyonder Had the power of the authors and could do literally anything he wanted. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. He. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. The Glory: description and feats. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. ago. It involved, at the time, marvel explaining the potential of other comic mega-verses existing and the fact that each has their own supreme being. Round 1: In character Round 2: Blood lusted. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. “INTO THE OCEAN OF REALITY YOU HAVE CROSSED DIMENSIONAL PLANES. Didnt the latest showing of TOAA makes it clear that HOTU was a small portion of TOAA's power? I say the Beyonder still wins, only TOAA can defeat him. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. 6. Jan 1, 2019. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. beyonder Yep, lol. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. ago. Even if it logically and rationally. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. Bait? 1 year ago. I. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. TOAA in fact survived. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. At least, not anymore. 3. I think the idea. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. 9. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. Or Melkor rebelling against eru. #7. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Yeah All Mighty Wins. there are many verse bigger and stronger than marvel like DC. " im sick of Beyonder. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. Forum Posts. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. Follow 77. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. One below all vs the beyonder. Thanos w HOTU and PR BeyonderVSLTWhite Crown of PhoenixEternityZero-Hour ParallaxObvilianDeathAdam Warlock w IGAbraxasGalactus with the Ultimate NuffiThe PM is basically a rip off of what classic Beyonder was. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA. Forum Posts. . #1 Edited By Nighthunter. The Classic Beyonder. Look stuff up for it. m99. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. Juntai. 4 years ago. Jayfournines. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. . So with all of that said, I say they tie after the others die. This means that TOAA is contained in it's creation and creation is contained in TOAA, but TOAA also transcends creation. This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. and it can be said so is spectre. TOAA mops the floor with these two. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. He stomps all round. 3080. 11 years agoR1: TOAA Celestial vs Full Powered Entity R2: WPOTC vs Full Powered Entity R3: Galactus vs Full Powered Entity Bonus: All 3 of them at maximum power vs Full Powered Entity with the help of a Beyonder. Other abstract entities, including Death and Eternity, have similarly confirmed that TOAA is Above all other beings in the cosmic hierarchy in the Multiverse. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. 8 years ago. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. [12] He is also. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. 0) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. So this battle is TOAA vs. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. To me TOAA is the creator (writer/artist). 11 years ago. 9 years. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Follow 331. It's impossible that 2 truly omnipotents co-exist in the same universe. Vs. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Phoenixblue. 3. it would be mostly stalemate. I mean, the name itself says it – the One Above All – there is nothing, no one, that could beat him. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. Nope. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Sailor moon vs The Beyonder , i love that one , LOL! The Spectre vs Bloom (winx club)@DC_Marvel_1000: lol. Beyonder is an omnipotent being, and it was often described as another version of TOAA and was a representation of a Marvel writer same as TOAA. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. 0. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. Beyonder stomps. Also, CA Superman's entire ability is to win. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. 56 results. bunker_man • 2 mo. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. Beyonder vs The Celestials. The. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. Which seems appropriate. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. Same goes for Jean's human parents. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. I build with many hands. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. Neutral Close. Knowledge of the other character/verse: No prior knowledge of each other. fangirl101. Follow 1. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too. You. And he loses. Battles. That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. . ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". The One Above All is literally God. 3 years ago. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. R5, same idea as R4. 11 years ago. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Nope. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. But If TOAA existed in Marvel when Pre-Beyonder was created then he isn't omnipotent. Beyonder Beyonder Earth-616. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. Comet is a Fun & Gaming Community where you can enjoy benefits for free! Daily giveaways, custom games currency | 5348 memberscalling themselves "God" (an Artist) and the "Collaborator" (the Writer) I presume TOAA. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. " I am the One Above All. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. He is the most powerful creation in all of Marvel, if not fiction. beyonder was easily destroying multi verses. Forum Posts. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. I see through many eyes. So you just put Anti-Monitor against the guy. u/nullfather can attest to that. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. matchups like these are. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. 193 4. s. They were both supreme powers above the LT. 1 Less Powerful: Odin. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. PR Beyonder, TOAA. Beyonder is on the level with The Spectre who takes orders for the presence. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. TOAA > PM Grant Morrison avatar from Animal Man #26 = TOAA Its not a rip-off if the later one is better written. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Follow 4160. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Glory stomps. Dante 1 y 7 d. Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Khorne. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. @hyperbeing said:. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. Team The Daughter Of Mortis I'm Unsure about this one. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. 1. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Forum Posts. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Michael Demiurgos vs Classic Beyonder. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. TOAA has no powers. . But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Ahl God Of Superheroes. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. It was said that she is the spark of creation. Alien X with Ascalon vs Phoenix Force fused with Captain Universe and has. Both are in character. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. While Beyonder has the power of Marvel writers. 1. Not even beyonder is that powerful. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. . I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. We all know TOAA, but Enigma (Defenders:Beyond #5) and The Lost One (All Out Avengers #4) seem positioned to be more powerful than TOAA. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. . 2. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. 2. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. 14 years ago. Manhattan's league. Conditions: Everyone except TOAA. Prepare for. Hykuu. 0 coins. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. This. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. 10 years ago. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. Claymore1998. There are two camps or the Presence vs TOAA fight. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. TOAA was the only true Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being and would. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Ima go with byonder. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. In his few appearances, he took the appearance of Jack Kirby. The only. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. and he isn't omniscience. So I might be missing something. The glory (Dr. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Definitely Beyonder. Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. 0. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. Then House Of Ideas 12. 0. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). 10 years ago. Bugs would take down the Beyonder easily, he'd just rewrite reality so that the Beyonder was a turtle. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos.